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11-17-03 Regular Council Minutes Page 10 ROUGHDRAT'T -NOT REVIEWED OR APPROVED BY COUNCIL determines what Rhodes Dahl proposes to us as far as how much money do they have to work with? Sure, they will work something up and they will know that if we want to spend $10,000, this is what you can do with $10,000 in that area versus if we want to spend $40,000. What is guiding them with their development of this proposal? s ___ ' Council President Buckholtz said I want to correct one point of semantics. When you say that studies can be expensive. This is really not a study as much as it is a diagram..... Dr. Parker said no, no, no---what I meant was these kinds of things-I am not arguing the price of these things, I know to do these things is expensive, I am just trying to figure out what is guiding their end result. Mayor Rinker said one; we already have built into the overall project some kind of baseline landscaping. Typically, and I remember Tom Evans saying like for a particular property it maybe 3 trees. It is pretty "chocolate and vanilla" kind of landscaping. I think that with Whitehaven there is a good opportunity for us to see where we should be going with landscaping to take a typical format that would work for the entire area. Whitehaven is a little bit unique because the impact on the property, unlike most of the properties on the west side, has an additional component that you typically don't have in the frontage takes. Typically you are just dealing with square footage, there might be temporary taking (Costanzo is one; Rick Christian is another one. We have not resolved, for example, Mr. Christian's frontage.) But with Whitehaven, because their house sits so close; in effect the right-of--way comes right up literally to their front door, they are contending a second issue-the argument is that there is damage to the remaining piece, the damage to the residue and then the issues arises that the cost to cure whatever that damage is. We have not agreed that there is damage to the residue but we are trying to figure out if there is a way that we can get the proverbial win-win, where if we produce a plan for landscaping that is acceptable to them, and obviously acceptable to us, it is something we can wrap into the negotiation or settlement of that particular case. The other factor that is unique about Whitehaven, this is something we've been looking at from early on is that while the right-of--way ends at a certain point, we are trying to extend the pathway east of the right-of--way line. In other words, take advantage-and an even wider spacing from the curb, the east curb and onto their property. That creates a totally different issue. We have not acquired that property so what we are trying to do is get their permission and encourage them to allow us to run the trail onto their property as opposed to everywhere else where the east side trail runs within the right-of--way area. So we don't have a set number yet. That is part of the approach here, is that if it looks something acceptable, then we're going to get an idea of how much it is going to cost us. And then that's the decision that we have to make collectively. Is it worth spending "x" amount of dollars? Do we want to spend "y" amount of dollars? What are we going to get for "x"? What are we going to get for "y"? We just know that where the baseline is right now, it doesn't get us a whole lot more than just kind of very prosaic landscaping which for some people may be acceptable but I am suggesting that what we would want to do is something better than that. Bill Ferinbach, who was formerly President of the Pattie Group which has very good experience in landscaping, works with Rhodes Dahl now, has really great expertise. I think that what we'll get from him is some good insight as far as to the kind of plant products to look for, techniques we can take advantage of. I would anticipate, for example, with some of the dirt that we have all along the right-of--way, we may be able to relocate dirt to provide mounding. The idea right now is to build a