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?. .. • • placement value. Mr. Groh questioned who determined what the replacement value. Mr. Hreha commented that if we nit pick everything, then everyone will be here until midnight. Mr. Groh became argumentative. Mr. Tallon remarked that Mr. Groh would need to show the board the respect it deserved or he could leave the podium. Mr. Groh will there be a under 1163.11 how would the City define a sign as a nuisance, there are set guide lines under the federal law that must be followed to declare a sign a nuisance. If the City is going to use this term the federal term has to be defined. 1163.12 the requirement for 1-inch letterina is extreme. Under the national electric code and UL 648 sign makers are required to provide on a sign cabinet the amperage, voltage, number of lamps and who the sign maker is with letters under 1 inch. If the City is going to require that no lettering be less than 1 inch the sign cabinets are goina to look like there is a billboard. If the city wants to go to a tagging system and issue sign permits with tags then the City should provide the tag that can be attached to the side of the sign. The sign companies are more than willing to work with tags, but to use vinyl letters with the permit number 1-inch high is not going to work. 1163.13 "Material Issue" materials and paint do fade over time, it is an unfair stipulation sunxays alone will fade any plastic or paint over time. 1163.19 "Color Neon" neon letters not being allowed, this issue will take away a lot-of businesses. 1163.26 "Ground Signs" One ground sign per lot, what would s happen at large shopping centers. There are many strip centers with more than one entrance, they 1 will need two ground signs. The setbacks under this code will require that the ground signs be placed ' in line with the parking places of most shopping centers. This will cause problems with the number of parking spaces, as well as blocking driver's views and potentially becoming a safety hazard. It will also cause more parking space variances requested. There are many types of wall signs besides flat i. e. panned, routed, aluminum, Plexiglas etc. The removal of the word flat would solve that issue. It stipulates one wall sian per building or unit. If there are multiple tenants, that would mean there .. could only be one sign for all six tenants, this language-is contradicting itself. The sign cabinet only extending out 6 inches on a cabinet. That is the smallest depth a sign company can build a sign ? cabinet. This needs to follow LTL and NEC codes there has to be proper lamping, ballast, and ° raceways inside the cabinet to light properly: 12, 14, 16 in.ches are the standard balance raceways for cabinets. 1163.28 "Canopy Signs" what is the City regulating, the. sign terminology doesn't match, he believes the City is referring to awnings, but he is not sure. 1163.32 "Temporary Signs" a 30 day window is fine if you are putting banners that say opening soon or coming soon, but his concern is a job site sign that is on a building that is being constructed over 6 to 9 months will they have to get a permit every 30 days. 1163.33 "Great Northern Mall" he questioned why they are given their own section under the code. The city is discriminating, as across the street they are not allowed the same signs and setbacks. Everyone should be treated equal and treated the same. Can they change the tenant signs or would they have to take off the signs. Sears has 6 signs and if it is sold under current code the new owner can not have 6 signs. Color is dictated under this code which is against the lanthom act, which is a federal law. The City can not dictated a color or change, a federal trademark or a color in their code. The business and industry wants to work with the City to have a good ordinance. He has been in the business for 24 years and the code effects himself and all his employees, as well as other workers. The issues should be addressed now no zoning code is perfect but they can make it better. There are experts that are willing to eome in and they will not charge the city anything. We live here and only want what is best for everyone. Mr. Binder of 24700 Lorain road came forward. Mr. Binder addressed section 1163.22 "Moving Signs" the new ordinance does not allow time temperature and the old sign code did, he would like it put back into the code and would like to see simple public service messages allowed. Mr. Dubelko indicated that that would 9