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the board also asks that they try not to wait for the Coinmission to find the people. Whatever the application process would be, it would go to the Mayor. Mr. Barker added that the Mayor makes the majority of the appointments. Mrs. O'Rourke agreed and said applications would go to the Mayor's office as he makes the appointments. Mr. Barker said he thinks the definition was referred to the Law Director. He thinks it also came up at his ineeting that if anybody can't find those specific credentials, they would look at experience. They also noted that everyone must be a registered voter to be on the Commission. That brings the stack of people down. They are saying you must be a resident, which is what the board would expect, but they are also talking about special interest, experience and knowledge of historical architecture. With that argument they brought up that Mrs. Lord, Mr. Lang, and Mrs. VanAuken have been on the Commission since its inception. That falls into the criteria. There are also 2 appointments by Council and 1 by Planning Commission. That is where the list has to come from. He feels that if they try to remember the gentleman's name on Butternut, he would suggest that they approach him about attending a ineeting so they can talk to him and see if he is interested. The Clerk of Commissions can send a letter to him and at least the Commission is doing its part. Mr. Corell said if he heard Mr. Dubelko correctly at that ineeting when he addressed the 4 criteria, he is looking to find something that is certifiable. When you are talking about an architect, or anything like that, you are looking for a degree and registration. He said Mr. Dubelko also made the remark that it would be difficult in a city of 34,000 people to convince the "authorities that be" that no such person exists if they are going to go to something else. He said he thinks Mr. Dubelko laid the gauntlet there but no inatter what the board may think of someone's skills, if they are not degreed in it, it may not work, because he tried to make the argument that "professional" is if they earn more than 50% of their income from it. He does not think that will apply here if he heard Mr. Dubelko correctly and he thinks that is the advice the Mayor will be given. He agrees and said the guy on the corner of Revere and Butternut is fabulous. Maybe he has a degree in something that is related. Mrs. VanAuken said she wants to know who made up the list and asked why it can't include something like a contractor. Mrs. Lord replied because they voted on it in the election. Mrs. VanAuken said it didn't say that when they voted on it. It didn't say what the occupations were going to be. That has been drawn up since. Mr. Lang said it has not been drawn up since. The Law Department in their preparation of the charter amendment drew its information from the application for Certified Local Government and that criteria is very specifically spelled out in there. They took the application for the CLG, put it into a ballot language and then submitted it to the voters so you are not going to see the entirety of what it is you are voting on but it did say that in what you did vote on that there would be a change in the criteria for the makeup of the composition of the Landmarks Commission. It wasn't that specific on the ballot but it was by inference. Mr. Barker said the ballot language was, "to establish the requirement that certain members of the City Landmarks Commission meet specific professional qualifications and do otherwise satisfy criteria for certification by the Ohio Historical Society." Mr. Lang said they are the ones that set the criteria of architect, historian, archeologist, etc. Mrs. Lord said we have been given a charge. The other thing that was asked requested that the board put an article or request in the local newspapers so that they are on record for showing good faith in asking someone to come forward. If we do that, and we do our internal search for people we believe might ineet this criteria, if at that point in time we can't come up with 2 people in this city then we can revert back to someone who has less than a professional criteria but certainly is part of a profession that could prove helpful. She said all of us can remain if there is no one in the city that has the credentials who wants to be on the Commission. Mr. Lang said, correct. Mrs. Lord said they still could check with people they feel may be qualified to bring something to the group. Mr. Lang said in preparation of that, he went to the Chamber of Commerce last week. He asked if they have a directory of businesses or individuals that are engaged in business that would be appropriate to this particular appointinent. He was informed there is no such directory. They are in the process of compiling a directory and they are as far as the "A's". Mr. Lang asked if they got to "architect." The woman he spoke with asked if he had a copy of the old Orange Line. He received from her a copy of the Orange Line directory of architects that are listed in the phone book. It could be a matter of calling each one of these architects to find out if they are residents and if so, 4