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Continuation of Civil Service addressing Mr. Binggeli's questions and City positions covered by Civil Service including Animal Warden: Mr. Ubaldi said it looks like the closest thing they have to a template is from 1976. It goes through the classified, unclassified and non-competitive positions. Over the years there were some changes but he is not sure how close it sticks with Ohio law, but this may be a good guide. Mr. Thomay asked if there was any documentation that shows the particular positions that were supposed to be classified and unclassified. Mr. Ubaldi then reviewed a list from his packet with the board members. There was some continuation of his question about the unions from what he read took place in 1989. There was a union contract into which a stipulation of the contract was to preclude civil service protection. Mr. Ubaldi read from a section that dealt with the transportation department. In the union contract it read that "all personnel in the city transportation department shall be removed from the civil service list as they have ratified a new contract that will preclude civil service coverage." The supervisors at the time remained on the list. Mr. O'Malley said perhaps that is because they could petition the civil service commission on the employees but could not ask the commission to contradict the charter as to the status of some of the supervisors. He said the civil service commission at that time could have said it does not sound like a good plan, they are not inclined to take them out, we believe the civil service protection and collective bargaining protection can co -exist. Mr. O'Malley said the color coded list that Mr. Ubaldi is looking at was created by the clerk in an effort to try to decipher what has been done and come up with a draft of a list for the commission's review. He said whether or not it is historically accurate is another question. It is an effort to move in the direction of establishing a list. Mrs. Giesser said the other packet they received includes documents gathered thus far so she does not believe they can make a definitive statement right now since there is more information to be gathered. Mr. Ubaldi said in 1991 Mr. Wilamosky ventured something similar to what they are trying to do now. Mrs. Giesser indicated Mr. Wilamosky may have done that when he was the personnel director. Mrs. Kilbane said she believes Mrs. Rote checked with personnel to get everything they have. Mr. O'Malley said his understanding is the clerk checked with the personnel director pursuant to the commissioner's comments about trying to convene meetings to learn more about the positions and duties. This was in an effort to coordinate the matter and thinking that the personnel department might be involved to assist with job descriptions and a better understanding of how the departments are structured and the levels of supervision, etc. Mr. Ubaldi reviewed the report further. Mr. Thomay said they need to do more reading. Mr. Ubaldi he would like them to track down the answers to his two questions: what became of the transportation department bid for union protection and did Mr. Wilamosky ever create a list. Mr. O'Malley said the charter makes it simple but they noticed the last time the great category of unskilled labor is unclassified. In terms of guidance the civil service commission can keep its own counsel as to how to go about defining this unskilled labor pool, never mind the fact that under state law, unskilled laborers are classified. State law does provide some guidance. He agrees that the idea to get a better understanding of the positions is a wise one. Mr. Thomay said they could ask all the department heads to provide them with job descriptions. V. NEW BUSINESS: Commissioners need to certify the Fire Lieutenants promotional examination results: Mr. Thomay reviewed the results with those present by reading the final rankings, candidate names, and total scores with efficiency and seniority points added in: Ranking Name Total Score 1 Kenneth Hehnen 104.821 2 Carl Schanz 97.531 3 Todd Kirkpatrick 93.884 4 Matthew O'Donnell 91.889 5 Matthew Peters 90.181 6 David Boatman 88.961