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Commission and came to discuss these issues related to the position in terms of classification. Before the position is created by Council it needs to be determined whether a position is classified or unclassified under the charter. Mr. Hohmann asked Mr. O'Malley if he is convinced both positions should be classified. Mr. O'Malley said no, he does not think the Secretary I / Civil Service Secretary would be classified. It is unclassified under the charter; there is no doubt about that. There was further discussion about the terms division heads and department heads and the confusion it creates. Mr. Ubaldi said he would like to see an organizational chart. Mrs. Farver indicated an organizational chart is being worked on. They had an intern several years ago who went through all the legislation and gave them a history. There were organizational charts in her office when she started but there was no history there. So they need to go back. Mr. Ubaldi said he would like to go back to Civil Service minutes to see what is there. Mrs. Giesser asked to have a final decision on Mr. Bingelli's question to the Commission put on the agenda for the next meeting. Ms. Farver said that Mr. Bingelli had a very logical question for the Commission well over a year ago; he asked whether or not his position is classified or not. Mr. O'Malley said Mr. Bingelli seems to be a working foreman, a step beneath the assistant superintendent at the Waste Water Treatment Plant (WWTP). Mr. Hohmann asked how the question came about. Mrs. Giesser indicated that Mr. Bingelli had been talking to people in other cities that had the same job and some were unclassified but most were classified. She said the Commission put him off and decided to make his request part of a comprehensive review and it has taken too long. Mrs. Giesser asked Mrs. Kilbane to look through past Civil Service material and provide some background to Mr. Hohmann regarding Mr. Bingelli. She suggested sending a note to Ms. Farver and Mr. Bingelli's supervisor indicating the Commission is going to make a decision at its next meeting and inviting them to submit written comments or attend the meeting. She added that Mr. Bingelli should be notified as well. Mr. Hohmann said it seems from what he's heard and seen in documents that Mr. Bingelli would be classified. Ms. Farver said logically it appears so. Mr. O'Malley said the position may not have been on the books and was not well described. Ms. Farver said they need to have the superintendent, Mr. O'Malley, the Service Director and herself look at the job description to make sure it's accurate and reflects the tasks and responsibilities that position has and give that information to the Commission. Mr. Hohmann said it seems if the position does not currently fit anywhere then it would automatically be classified. He said why spend hours and hours if it is going to end up classified anyway. The focus should be describing the position and its duties. Ms. Farver said that is what she and Mr. O'Malley are going to do. Mr. O'Malley said he thinks one of the reasons for this is that Mr. Bingelli may have come out of the rank and file and may have previously been considered among the unskilled laborers which were unclassified. The concept of an unskilled laborer is not very well defined and the reasoning for the use of that term in the charter, to weed out classified from unclassified, is not very clear. Mrs. Giesser said she recalls other positions in the WWTP that might not be categorized classified or unclassified; they are also in limbo. They were looking at that at one point. There are other positions out there that the Commission has not said yes or no to. They just evolved. They really should say yes or no. Mrs. Giesser said it is something Mrs. Farver and Mr. O'Malley will be working on. Mr. O'Malley said it works well that the Civil Service Commission is connected to the Personnel Department to some degree. Personnel can help keep the Commission's authority in tact. Mrs. Giesser said it is great that Ms. Farver came to the Commission to inform them they hope to create new positions and down the line others should do that. In theory if they get every position taken care of now, that is on the books, if Ms. Farver comes to them each time a position is created, they can take it one at a time and have this whole thing solved. Mr. Bingelli's innocent question has triggered this review. Mrs. Giesser thanked Ms. Farver for her attendance and input at the meeting. Ms. Farver thar-Aced her for addressing her issues first on the agenda. VI. ADJOURNMENT: Chairperson Giesser adjourned the meeting at 9:20 p.m. Roseirnary Gi , Chairperson Date Annie Kilbane, Civil Service Secretary