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? • 4 to drop off a copy, of the design. After that he was told that a permit was needed and that the sign was oversized. Mr. Bugala stated that the size of the sign is excessive and since they will be re-doing it they should conform. Mr. Fletcher stated that since he was told that he did not need a permit, he had made the sign. He stated that it is not tmusual to be allowed to ma.intain a sign without a permit. Mr. Fletcher stated that it was a hardship since the sign is made. R. Gomersall moved to grant the request for Mr. Carburetor at 24002 Lorain Road for a 35 square foot variance for a pole sign (one side) and a 3 foot variance for the location of the pole sign and also a 84.5 square foot variance for total sign area, seconded by B. Grace. Roll call on motion: Gomersall, Helon, Restifo, and Bugala, no. P1r. Grace, yes. Motion failed to pass. Variance denied. 2. Carter Plaza, 24747-75 Lorain ltoad. Request for va.riance (1123.:12). Request 144.00 sq. ft. variance for pole sign and variance to have second pole sign on property.. (Existing ground sign will be removed). Violations of Ord. 87-93, Section 1163.06-(f)4. Chairman Bugala called all interested parties before the Board. The oath was administered to Mr. Carter, owner of the Plaza, tenants J. Madingin, Ms. Loescher, Ms Webster, Ms. Barkhurst, and sign contractor, B. Leech. Mr. Carter explained that the tenants on the side and the rear could not be seen from the street and needed more exposure on the 9 by 8 foot sign. The letters on the existing ground sign are too small. Mr. Bugala pointed out that there is another pole sign on the property. Mr. Leech stated that there is a hardship here since tenants are moving out because they cannot be seen and also that there are actually 3 properties here. Ms Loescher stated that the sign is not visible to traffic coming from the east, and a sign is crucial to the business. The other tenants agreed. Law Director Gareau stated that it is not in the City's interest to have empty buildings. Building Commissioner Conway explained that the 144 square foot variance was for.the two pole signs, it was not indicated that the total sign area was over code requirements. It was pointed that the next request was for a wall sign for another one of his tenants. Mr. Grace agreed that the ground sign is too small and not visible when a car is in the drive. Mr. Gomersall suggested that they could remove the original sign and put everything on one sign. Mr. Grace pointed out that these buildings were planned by architects and the signage should be considered at that time. Mr. Restifo believed that this should be tabled until next month at.which time they could return with a different proposal. Mr. Bugala stated that such a sign would be like the Lauren Hills sign which he believes is too big. It was pointed out that this hardship is caused by the irregular shape of the land, but the developers do not consider signage tmtil after the building is leased. Mr. Leech suggested cutting down the height of the pole sign by 3 feet. Members would like to see this and offered to.table imtil next month. T. Restifo moved to grant the variance for Carter Plaza at 24747-75 Lorain Road, the request for 144 square foot variance for a gole sign and a variance to have a second pole sign on the property, seconded by J. Helon. Roll call on motion: Restifo, Helon, Gomersall, and Bugala, no. Mr. Grace, yes. Variance denied. The developers were advised that they could re-submit a request if it were reduced ' 'by at least 25%. 3. I Can't Believe It's Yogurt, 24753 Lorain Road. Request for variance (1123.12). Request 8.2 square foot variance for total sign area to keep existing wall sign (calculated with present ground sign in place); 2