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figures in the report on pages 11 and 9 and believed that these figures could be construed to show less traffic and believed that a third coltunn should be added to include the drive-by traffic. Mr. Lepisto stated that there would be many more combined trips in North Olmmsted since shoppers would go to the Mall and stop at Wal-Mart, which is not the case in Mentor. Mr. Orlowski doubted the accuracy of these figures since the voltune of traffic on the secondary streets is considerable. Mr. Griffith believed that the 25% that was Used for existing traffic was conservative. Mr. Thoma,s noted that County Planning Comnission estimate of 10,000 cars per day entering the site differed with Wal-Mart's figures of 3,700 cars; and it was clarified later that the 3,700 was peak hour traffic and the CPC figure was for a 24 hour period. Mr. Lepisto advised that peak hours are from 5 to 6<00 p.m. during the week and 12 noon to 1:00 p.m. on Saturday; and estimated that there would be about 1,100 cars an hour on Saturday and about 700 cars during the peak hour on weekdays. He contended that if the traffic can be handled during the peak hours, other hours will present no problem. Mr. Gorris noted that.in the minutes of the first meeting,. Mr. Newberry questioned the rnunber of 10,000 to 11,000 cars per day since Wal-Mart estimates 3,700 per day into their other facilities, and pointed out tha.t their peak hours, 2:00 p.m. to 4:00 p.m. which differs from the rush hour. Mr. Newberry stated that. he read the figures incorrectly and these figures, taken from the Mentor store; showed the ingress/egress movement during 1:00 p.m. to 5:00 pem. and agreed that . County Plaruiing Commission's estimate was reasonable, but the peak hours are the problem times. Mr. Lepisto stated that they always look at a worst ca,se scenario. He agreed that option rnunber 3 was preferable in that the Lorain Road access was located further from the Dover, Center/Lorain intersection. Mr. Gorris read the Safety Depaxtment report (see attached) which pertained to the original plan using the former Sherwin Williams drive. Mr. Tallon believed that.the Commission must consider the projected traffie figures for the year 2000 for pover Center and Porter Road. If these projections are with split an additional 5000 cars there would be 15,900 trips per clay on Porter Road and 21,000 per day on Dover Center and this impact will be felt, not only by the residents of these streets, but by the residents of the developments off of them. He noted that residents cannot get out of the driveways or developments at present. The impact of this development on the city does not stop at Mill, Dover Center, Porter and Lorain Road, it wi.ll impact the entire length of these streets and also Butternut Ridge Road. Mr. Thomas pointed out that the 10,000 car per day is not actua.lly per.day, since most of this traffic will occur during the 12 hour period when the store is open (9:00 a.m. and 9:00 p.m.). When Mr. Lepisto disagreed, Mr. Thomas asked how Wal-Mart could generate traffic when the store is closed, estimating.that there might be as many as 9,000 cars generated in a 12 hour period. It was clarified that these figures were based on trips (in and out) not cars. Mr. Tallon also questioned their figures estimatin.g traffic on Mill Road and maintained that most traffic coming south bound on Porter Road will use the Mill Road entrance. Mr. Skoulis remi.nded the members that Rally's will a=1so be on the corner of Dover Center-and Lorain. Mr. Griffith clarified that there is a difference between cars and trips, one car generally represents two trips. Mr. Gorris saw. nothing compelling in this traffic report that indicated the necessity of ingress or egress on Mill Road. Mre Thomas stated that the report showed him how r,cuch.of an investment in money, city services, etc., this development would ha.ve on the city, as well as the negative impact.it will have. He believed that the million dollar estimate to alter the infrastructure is conservative, and that, along with the negative impact to the residential areas to accommodate a single business is awesome. Mr. Lepisto stated that these improvements will have to be made whether this development goes through or not. In response to Mr. Newberry's questions, Mr. Deichmann advised that his estimated cost for improvements to the 2