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everyone has a copy of those minutes, the residents agreed to it. It was to restrict the size of their own stores, they volunteered to restrict the size of their own stores to 80,000 square feet the residents said great fine and backed down they stopped opposing anything they went home not really happy but sort of content they felt they had achieved a goal that they worked hard for and spent hundreds of dollars for she didn't but several people did and are still spending money printing flyers now to get more people in on this. The residents who live on Porter all the way down to Lorain these are community minded people not transit people they volunteer all over this City, Mr. Herbster who was citizen of the year, working hard as volunteers, Boy Scout leaders, Girl Scout leaders, in the Libraries, Nursing Homes and all over the City. They got an agreement with Carnegie at a Planning Commission meeting here, some of you people were not here she doesn't remember but there were a bunch of Planning Commission members who said sure that sounds fine, and it sounded fine to a whole group of people, well then the Law Director gets it later takes it to Council and the Mayor and they decide Oh we can't do this, and nobody bothered to tell the residents who spent these hundreds of dollars and countless hours they went home they don't have a lawyer working for them Carnegie you guys seam to know you can do this now, you must have known this agreement would stand anymore otherwise you wouldn't have brought Giant Eagle in here because that was in direct violation of the agreement you made, so you guys knew there was no agreement. While us poor little residents here who work regular jobs and she doesn't know a lawyer among us. How are we suppose to find out is it our job to go back to the City and say are you still doing what you said you would do, are you doing it are you doing it, is that what we are supposed to do. You keep talking about your up holding the laws aren't made to protect the people. We were here we did the best we could do, she wasn't there but the other audience members were and they did the best they could and spent their own money, your here and your not spending your money well maybe you are she doesn't remember if the Planning Commission is paid or not. That is your job you chose to do this, she wants to go home and put her kids to bed she doesn't want to be doing this every couple of years. Mr. Dubelko indicated when he was at the meeting in 1994, he made it very clear and everyone that was there should have heard it, because he made it very clear, that the City could not enforce any type of agreement between the developer and the residents and it could not be a condition of the approval. It was very clear at the time. He spoke to the Planning Commission about it and it is reflected in the minutes. Ms. Kummer suggested listen Mr. Herbster, Mr. Holder, and she doesn't know who all. An unidentified member of the audience spoke out and said he would like to see that in the record. Mr. Dubelko indicated that he could as it is a public document. He asked if Mr. Dubelko had the minutes there and if he could have a copy. Mr. Dubelko suggested he would be happy to show the gentleman his set of those minutes. The clerk asked the unidentified man what his name was for the record. The gentleman indicated his name was Mr. Hoelter and suggested they were never notified as layman that what Carnegie Management volunteered and negotiated as a contract that it was null and void, and we do have a lawyer we've got City lawyers. Ms. Kummer indicated she was told by the Law Director her because she asked him that aren't you an elected official as she didn't know, or remember if she elected this man. He said the residents/voters elect the Law Director but his job is to advise the Mayor, Council, and numerous other City officials he mentioned that is his job, is to advise them which is fine now she understands, and we don't have a lawyer and is that what we are suppose to do is go out and spent another couple of thousand dollars, and she doesn't have that kind of money. She wanted to tell the audience something else she asked the Law Director all though the Wal- 11