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how do we get there. To achieve it, it is great to just talk about it but unless there is specifics. <br />Mr. Tallon: Are you the City doing the study or are you asking the mall to do the study. Mr. <br />Deichmann: The ma11. Mr. Tallon: After Dillard's is built, a study on the parking spaces in the <br />mall the entire mall to see how they are actually working under the 4.5 as to what is really there. <br />Are we not using that much what is the parking utilization, how many parking spaces do you need <br />based on fact over the next year maybe. Actually what it is, is before you come before us again <br />with any other improvement. Mr. Barker: As a condition for anything else we want to do? Mr. <br />Tallon: Absolutely. Mr. Barker: I do not have a problem with that. Mr. Rinker: My only <br />comment is that if we agree that there has to be some further dialog, the goals we set, how to go <br />about doing it and how we can build a report like that, that makes since. Mr. Tallon: Another <br />words we are not going to hear anything further until we have something that says we have a <br />track record now, what is it. Mr. Rinker: That makes since. Mr. Barker has another question <br />about the sidewalks. Mr. Barker: I am confused because I hear $35,000 dollars I hear a square <br />foot number and I have my engineer whispering a different number in my ear. The range of <br />numbers has lots more zero's. Mr. Loesch: At 2,000 feet, $15.00 bucks a foot. Mr. Deichmann: <br />I am saying our price is $2.80 cents a square foot. Nir. Barker: What are you saying that works <br />out to a lineal foot? About $15.00 dollars, so it is $300,000 dollars. Mr. Rinker: That would be <br />$30,000 dollars. Mr. Tallon: That is what he said about $35,000. Mr. Rymarczyk: We still need <br />the adjustment on the property line, taking it out of the building and getting that cleared up. Mr. <br />Rinker: Showing the property line adjusted out of the building. Mr. Barker: That is not a <br />property line that is a designated area in J C Penny's lease. They refer to it as the protected <br />parking area. They treat that parcel, as it is their own even though in a legal since they do not <br />own it. Therefore, that line should not technically be on the plan because it does not represent <br />ownership at all. Mr. Rymarczyk: O.K. then you should get it cleared up to reflect that. Mr. <br />Barker: Absolutely and I apologize for the coi7fusion. I not figure that out until last week. Mr. <br />Rinker: I am at the microphone and all I am hearing is that, that is something we will comply with. <br />Mr. Tallon: Will you say that one more time. Mr. Barker: 7 C Penny's operates under a lease, <br />they do not own their parcel. Because of specific desires they have for parking they were <br />designated a certain parking area outlined by the line in question. Mr. Tallon: What does that <br />mean? Mr. Barker-: It is only relevant to J C Penny's lease not relevant as to ownership of the <br />parcel as it is owned by the mall. Mr. Tallon: My question then is. Mr. Barker: It is not a. <br />property line. Mr. Tallon: Were Dillard's is going it is part of their preferred paring or what ever, <br />• do they have any say in that? Mr. Barker: When we met with you previously it was mentioned <br />that all the department stores have to consent to the site plans. It is one of the types of thirigs that <br />they have to conserit to, changes to parking and entrances, sometimes they have protective <br />parking sometimes they don't. Mr. Tallon: Basically they have agreed to give up that portion <br />were Dillard's is. Mr. Barker: They have agreed in order to accommodate the addition. of <br />Dillard's to modify that. Mr. Rinker: In short, what we are saying is that it is a contract line but it <br />is not a real property line. Mr. Tallon: I just meant are we going to have a big contract dispute <br />here now as you put Dillard's on their parking spaces. N1r. Tallon: Jim do you have anything? <br />Mr. Dubelko: Yes, if this is an appropriate time to ask the law department. I have two things I <br />want to address. The first one is as much for the new members of the commission as for everyone <br />on the commission. On the issue of esthetics, and not surprisingly Planning Commissions, <br />authority in the area of esthetics is very limited. It is obviously not a good thing when <br />government is perceived as acting in an arbitrary manor. When you get into discussing esthetics <br />16