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Mr. Crook corrnnented that itein 5 is related to these wall signs, and if you add all of the square footage together they would be in excess of 172 sq. ft. and again their literal footage of the frontage is the 258 times the one per the code. Iteins 1-5 all deal with the building signs. Mr. Maloney questioned if he could go on to the oround signs. Mr. Crook commented that item 6 deals with one large ground sign and two small directional signs. 'I'he directional signs are 2 ft, x 2 ft. and they are Tops with an arrow in and out. They will b-- located at the main entrance and at the storefront entrance. Mr. Koberna questioned why they think those directional signs are necessary. Mr. Olson replied that part of it is because of the site layout and the site configuration, it is amazing how confused people do get in shopping centers like this. Mr. Crook commented that the main pylon sign is at Sparky Ln. and Brookpark Ext. and is facing towards like Wendy's and the Dry Cleaners to maximize the view. That is the main reason for proposing a 30 ft. high pylon sign. The north side of the pylon sign would be blank so that the residents don't have to look at it. The south side will catch the interest on Lorain Rd. NIr. Gareau questioned the square footage. Mr. Crook indicated that the main Tops piece is 8 ft. x 10 ft. which brings us to 80 sq. ft. Mr. Koberna suggested that the connotation of pylon sign rneans that it's a nice little sign mayl?e about 12 ft. in height. Mr. Gareau indicated that they are proposing a pole sign, but they call it a pylon sign. Mr. Koberna questioned the setback of that sign. Mr. Crook indicated that they are about ZO ft. back from the right of way and about 30 ft. back from the corner. Mr. Maloney indicated that 30 ft. is almost the height of a three story building and he thinks that is too excessive for a commercial district. Mr. Olson replied that they could consider changing the height to about the 20 ft. range. Would that be a consideration if they brought the overall height down by 10 ft. Mr. Koberna questioned why they want to stack the tenant signs underneath the Tops sign, why couldn't they go horizontal to spread it out and keep it as low profile as they can. Mr. Olson commented that the height is a key element for them. They hung balloons at different levels to see where they could be seen from the road. Mr. Gareau indicated that they had this issue with Giant Eagle. If you look at the sign for them on Lorain Rd. it is a small but nice sign with Criant Eagle and the other three tenants. One of the things that attracted the Planning Commission and Board of Zoning Appeals when Giant Eagle was coming through was that it was more local retail, which as opposed to having somebody from Akron come and try to find Tops. Mr. Olson indicated that they could re-design the sign itself and the retail sign to accommodate and really be proportionate within that and talce ten feet out of it. They could get the re-design of that sign back to this board. Mr. Gareau indicated they inight consider the possibility of two ground signs. Mr. IVlaloney questioned what they would like the board to do, take a motion and exclude the ground signs for now and let you come iback with that. Mr. Olson questioned if it would be possible to include the ground sign 'conditioned on a 20 ft. re-design acceptable to the board. Mr. Rymarczyk questioned for clarification if they had indicated that the pylon sign would be one sided. Mr. Crook replied yes, it will be one sided. Mr. Olson indicated that they would look at doing that as part of the consideration then, because it also helps the residents out as it relates to the height. Mr. Rymarczyk indicated that variance 98 would be reduced to 91 sq. ft. Mr. Koberna indicated that the whole thing can change because if they're talking about proportionately shrinking the whole sign, you don't know what the square footage is going to be. His understanding was they were just going to bring the sign down and keep the square footage. Iv1a-. Olson commented that he would propose this; take the pylon signage and table it, let us re-design the sign itself It will be at the 20 ft. height and resubmit this sign to the board. Mr. Kremzar questioned why they need the seven feet if they're going to have the pylon sign on the east side. Mr. Olson replied that is io keep it proportionate to the design of the store and the other would be that this is their proto-type sign. It gives. the store a presence and identity. Mr. Maloney indicated that this wouldn't be the complete package tonight, but the board will give them the alternative of coming back with a complete change. Mr. Olson questioned if it would be possible to approve the building signage and come back with the site signage. Mr. Gareau indicated that they could do that. J. 1Vlaloney motioned to grant Tops Supermarket of 26666 Brookpark Ext. their request for variance 8