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project done. The brick choices are essentially gray or red. They would rather do gray but can live with red. There was concern and discussion about the columns being brick. That is a maintenance issue but again they will work with the board to get approval and get it completed. Mr. Spalding said one comment the Architectural Review Board made was to have the canopy blend in with the brick. He asked if it would be possible to tie the two together. Ms. Radwanski said they suggested doing the canopy columns in brick to tie into the building and that was rejected. Mr. Spalding said he believes they were talking about the whole canopy. Ms. Radwanski said 1Vlarathon is not willing to do that because they believe their design ties into the building and it is no different than what they have done in most of Ohio. Mrs. Hoff-Smith said it is difficult because the applicant is asking the board to look at the Architectural Review Board as advisory. It would be difficult to go against the Architectural Review Board's decision on a rendering that they have not seen. The board would need a reason to go against them and they do not have that. Mr. Quinn pointed out there was no rendering at the meeting. They were asked as a follow up to send photos depicting the kinds of brick they have used at other sites. Ms. Radwanski said it was very unclear and when that board rejected the brick she thought they were back at square one. Mr. Koeth said they need to move forward. Mr. Spalding asked what they could do as far as brick on the canopy other than the brick on the columns. 1VIs. Radwanski said structurally they really can't do anything. Mr. Quinn mentioned he worked on both the Olmsted Falls site and the Lakewood site. He said the canopies basically disappear at night; they are not really visible. He said this was not even an issue at those sites. He said Olmsted Falls has strict design guidelines. He said the Lakewood site is in a residential neighborhood off of Franklin and next to a red brick building. The concept of adding brick, a brick fascia, or a color that matches the building to the canopy was never even suggested. Ms. Radwanski referred to the rendering they brought in and said it ties in now. There is a red stripe and red on the building and gray striping, which is how they tie in the canopy to the building. They tie things in with colors, not necessarily the materials. They do not want the canopy to be the focus of attention. Mr. Koeth asked to see the rendering the applicant brought in. Mr. Spalding asked if they could darken the canopy to match the roo£ Mr. Quinn said if they really wanted to tie the canopy into the building better they would stick with the material that is closer in color and is what they originally proposed. There was further review of the colors. Mr. Koeth asked about making the building gray. Ms. Radwanski said they are willing to do that. She said they proposed white split face on the bottom and gray on top. They are willing to go with all gray brick. There was further review and discussion about the color of brick that should be used. Mr. Allan said he thinks it is such a major improvement over what is at the site now he doesn't know why there was any problem. Mr. Rymarczyk pointed out they have red brick in Olmsted Falls. Ms. Radwanski said they do have the brick building but it does not have the brick canopy columns. Mr. Koeth said he would like to see a red brick building and red brick columns and he wants the red stripe off the top of the canopy. It should remain gray. The board members discussed the options with the applicant. Mr. Rymarczyk asked why they are always asking about the color matching and not the material. He thinks the material should match as well. He said they match in other parts of the country. Ms. Radwanski said that was true in Michigan but they are not doing it any more. They can't do it any longer because of the cost. They are hurting just like everybody else. She said if it were up to her, she would not have the canopy columns in brick because people will hit them, they will look bad in a year, and they are very hard to maintaui. Mr. Koeth said they would need to see how it will look. The board wants to see a rendering of a red brick building, and they want a rendering with brick columns, and one without the stripe. He said there will be 2 renderings. One will show the red brick building with red brick columns and the canopy, then there will be one with a red brick building with regular columns and a regular canopy. Ms. Radwanski suggested that the board members view the Olmsted Falls site. Mrs. Kilbane indicated she will get the e-mail photos to the board members. She apologized and indicated they should have been included in the packets sent to members. Mr. Koeth said he wants to see the reader board depicted on the building. Mrs. Kilbane asked Chairman Koeth if the board members receive the e-mail photos and there is some agreement that the renderings are acceptable, would the applicant still have to return to the Planning Commission. Mr. Koeth said he wants to see the drawings. Mr. Koeth reviewed what the applicant needs to submit; a rendering of a red brick building, red brick columns and the same canopy, and another showing a red brick building, steel columns and the canopy without the stripe. Mr. Rymarczyk pointed out they will need 8 drawings of the elevations submitted prior to the meeting. They need to be in the Thursday before the meeting. He said another issue is the high foot-candle readings on the photometrics. W. Koeth said the foot-candles under the canopy are a concern. Mr. Rymarczyk said they are running at 52 foot-candles under the canopy at certain points, which is very high. He said other areas of the parking lot appear to be extremely high too. They may want to reduce the light level now. Ms. Radwanslci indicated they are putting in recessed light fixtures as requested. Mr. Rymarczyk said they still have high readings. He added there is currently an ordinance being worked on regarding lighting. It is not in effect yet but they may want to review the candle readings they have currently. W. Quinn said they have the foot-candles at the current level for safety reasons. Ms. Radwanski said they followed what is currently in the 2