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engineering issue. It is an open item. Mr. Koeth mentioned one question is how wide the street will be. <br />Mr. Corsi indicated it is 22 feet which was requested at the last meeting. The original figure was 18 <br />feet and engineering indicated in a letter that 22 feet would be approve-able. Mr. Spalding asked if that <br />would satisfy the city as far as service and safety issues. Mr. Griffith indicated it would. They are <br />talking 22 feet from face of curb to face of curb. Mr. O'Malley indicated he reviewed the documents <br />that were submitted for the declaration of the homeowner's association. He said a couple of the issues <br />that came up before the Planning Commission were the rubbish collection, and snow removal. It was <br />also his intention to look at some of the easements that were described in the documents. These <br />homeowner's association documents are governed by state law, similar to condo associations. As he <br />understands it, these unit owners don't take a fee interest in the property, but they have an interest in the <br />living unit through the declaration that is on file. These streets are not to be offered for dedication. It is <br />his understanding the engineering department is not going to be interested in maintaining any specific <br />easements or access, as you would ordinarily have on a city street, to service the utilities. These things <br />would all be the burden of the homeowner's association. Nonetheless, the documents do address a <br />number of easeinents that are available for emergency access and other things of that nature. There are <br />a few items in that area for which he has specific recommendations. There was some language that <br />makes reference to the easement areas and some formal action of the city. It would be his <br />recommendation that they not have this process viewed as a formal acceptance of these private drives; <br />so it is not construed as an acceptance of those areas. They can put additional language in there that <br />would make it clear that the city is not required to service these utilities, and in the event that the city <br />were required to under some emergency circumstances, that there would be some form of <br />indemnification. A law firm that is very well respected prepares these kinds of documents and he <br />would expect they are very competent in this area of the law. The documents contain the identity of all <br />three trustees. These things usually start out with the developer in charge of the association and <br />maintaining control. Once 25% of the units are sold, the developer would have one of the trustees <br />picked by the 25% ownership. Within 5 years or 75% of the units being sold, the trustees are going to <br />be selected by those hoineowners. Obviously they can continue to select the developer. The developer <br />might continue to have some interest but at some point in time, within 5 years or 75% of the sales, it is <br />expected that control of the association will pass froin the developer to the homeowners. He looked at <br />the language that addressed the subject of trash removal and he did not find that it is sufficient to put a <br />potential purchaser on notice of the fact that they would, and the association would, continue to be <br />responsible for that cost specifically. It didn't indicate that it would be curbside trash pick up as <br />opposed to dumpster pick up. This is a subject that, in his experience, has been a sore subject because <br />10 years from now the residents of this area might come to the city looking for that service to be <br />provided. They rriay not be too pleased to find that that service might not be available. To avoid that <br />dilemma, it inight be prudent to recommend some language to put into the association documents to <br />make it clear. He did not see specific language that addressed the subject of snow removal on the <br />streets. The association has a responsibility for these common areas and Mr. Corsi will of course be <br />responsive to his residents and provide these services, but he did not see that language. Perhaps the <br />Planning Commission would consider a condition of approval whereby some language was suggested <br />to be added to the declarations. He could possibly submit something or suggest something to Mr. <br />Corsi's attorney in this regard. On the other subject, he indicated he sent out a memo to the Planning <br />Commission. He wanted to alert the Planning Commission to the report and the recommendations <br />contemplated by the code. The code describes the Planning Commission's obligation to go through and <br />make certain findings. He would encourage the board to go down the list of specific items that are <br />being presented and make findings as to whether they conform or do not conform to the code. He has <br />tried to outline those iteins in the memo and he thinks Mr. Conway has also gone through some of <br />them. He would encourage the board to not undertake, in one single motion, the issue of approval or <br />disapproval of this site plan as a whole. He would recommend they address each individual variance. <br />He said the term variance is usually in reference to a hard and fast standard of the code, in a zone that is <br />3
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