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a CIVIL SERVICE MEEting - 3/24/88 Page #3 at the police department that has to be, but I think where we come into the problem is where we test for some of the other people; such as a clerk for example, and we discussed this issue ourselves, nothing official, but when we test for a clerk, and I know we've gone around with Gareau on this a couple of times because we've had some issues where clerks were designated to be in certain areas and had to be sepcialized and had to have special skills and training and all that kind of stuff and it presented a special test. For example, in your department we have a test, we have no clerks on the list we have, none at all; however we did have a few left in the city then the question came up at our meeting why can't we use the same clerk's list for you? And I don't have an answer to that. Chief Marsh: If I could give you a little background. Wendt: That's what I would like, for you to do so. Marsh: What we ran into in the previous tests before we starting have seperate, and I asked for a seperate test - we could never find one off the general list - they took that test wanting to work for the city or the school board but once we said to them we work shifts, we work weekends, we work holidays they didn't talk to us we could not get anybody to interview off of the general test so what we needed to do is advertise so that people when they take that test they take it with the understanding that we're going to be working the 4 to 12 shift, we're going to be working Saturdays and we may work Sundays, we're going to be working holidays, this is a police department.. then we got at least some people who were interested in working for us. Madeline: Is that the only difference - holiday work, weekends - duties,.Marsh: Well, on the initial offset I'm sure that people on that other list would be qualified to fill our positions - we're not asking for people with skills, we'll teach them those skills, but no, the general test cold have served us fine I'm sure except that they were not willing to work. Madeline: So, what that would mean is if we could find a test and we advertise that it would be for holidays, weekends, shifts, whatever, the only problem would be is that we would get fewer candidates initially. Xarsh: Probably. Wendt: What we're trying to say is I guess is that when you go out on a seperate test you are well aware of that this could range anywhere from $800 to $1000.00 depending on the nature of the situation, so, what we're saying is let's advertise it dually with proper advertising now, it true we possibly would get fewer applicants, maybe not, you never know. Madeline: Maybe that wouldn't be so bad anyway, I mean if they had applied for a position knowing that they might work holidays and shifts, weekends and evenings and then found out they didn't have to that they were going to have 8 to 4:30 hours they might be pleasantly surprised. Marsh: At least some of them that took the test would be willing to work those hours if they're advertised. Madeline: We could say, might have to work, or hours might include weekends , whatever, we don't have to say they're -absolute, but they might include those. Wendt: I really think that from a financial (con't)