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are procedural problems, which would be difficult to deal with short of obtaining "waivers" from all the candidates. Mr. Thomay questioned if the commission truly needed to make a motion on dropping a book because their motion was to allow the Fire Chief and Safety Director to pick which books would be used for the test. Mrs. Rote voiced that the motion to remove the book should be made to make sure there is no protests. Mr. Thomay indicated the commission needs to motion to have 4 study books instead of 5 study books. I Thomay motioned to drop the Building Construction for the Fire Services, 3rd edition, 1992 and use only the remaining 4 books as the research material for the written test. R. Giesser seconded the motion, which was unanimously approved. 2. Mr. Thomay indicated that a City worker was present as he had questions regarding who is and is not covered by Civil Service. He asked the gentleman to introduce himself. Bob Binggeli, Sanitary Systems Supervisor for the City of North Olmsted. Mr. Thomay invited Mr. Binggeli to voice his question. Mr. Binggeli indicated that he would like to know if Civil Service covers his position or not. Mr. Thomay questioned if Mr. Binggeli ever received anything when he was hired stating that he was part of Civil Service. Mr. Binggeli reviewed that when he was first hired in the city it was a Union position that he was hired for. He left the union to take a position as foreman and the person I replaced always stated he was Civil Service and had a letter stating the fact. Mr. Thomay questioned what period that was. Mr. Binggeli thought it was fifteen years ago about 1986 as that is when he became a foreman. Since then, he has been promoted to Sanitary Systems Supervisor, which was 8 years ago. Mr. Thomay questioned if the Secretary had any reason to believe there could be a question regarding the position. Mrs. Rote suggested that in the Codified Ordinances of the City of North Olmsted Ohio, Article VI section (3) it states that the Civil service Commission shall be divided into classified, and unclassified service. The unclassified list does not include Mr. Binggeli's position or a few other positions within the city. The Charter further states that classified service shall comprise all positions not specifically included in this charter in the Unclassified Service. As Mr. Binggeli's position as well as other positions within the city is not listed, I suggested that he attend the Civil Service meeting and address the Commission with his question. Mr. Thomay indicated that the commission needed to look into the matter. He directed the secretary to go back to old minutes when Unions first came in and check employees that may have letters stating they are in the Civil Service. Mrs. Rote suggested that the codified stipulate positions not individuals being covered or not. Mr. Binggeli suggested that he is in different local organizations with communities that surround ours and many those members has stated that they are Civil Service and they never took a test. Mrs. Giesser questioned if Mr. Bob Gillcrest was still alive and in the area. Mr. Binggeli suggested he could speak with his son as Bob just had triple by-pass surgery. Mrs. Rote suggested looking into Mr. Gillcrest's personal file as well as all the other positions in questions to see if any of the employees received letters from Civil Service stating their position was protected by Civil Service. She suggested that the reason the Recreation maintenance foreman's name is on the Civil Service list is because Tom Stein submitted a copy of a letter he received from the Civil Service. She hoped that if Civil Service gave letters to employees stating they were in Civil Service a copy of the letter should have been placed in their personal records. Mr. Thomay suggesting getting the date off of Mr. Stein's letter to start looking for motion to send letters. Mrs. Giesser directed the secretary to get a list of every position within the city so the Civil Service can address this issue. Mr. Binggeli suggested that there has been positions added as well as dropped that may have been covered by Civil Service according to the charter. Mrs. Rote voiced that the commission has touched on this subject in the past but nothing was settled. 3. Mrs. Rote indicated that the pre-test orientation meeting date was moved from May 26,2003 to May 27, 2003 to accommodate the holiday she questioned if the commission needed to make a 2