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PRD Meeting 11-25-02 Page 4 park a unit, a vehicle, albeit one of the mini vans with some ladders and what-have-you on it in front of the units. You might remember this as one of the (this is the area where David Hartt lives.) 7. Slide #7 was shown. Mr. Samac said the next photograph is another that we'd looked at on our tour; it is Cedarmount in Cleveland Heights located at Fairmont and Cedar Road, sort of behind the shopping stores that are immediately on the corner. If you recall...these units are pretty classy looking units. They follow the same architecture that you see predominantly in Cleveland Heights. The site area where they are located is like 2.5 acres and the density is 4 units per acre with approximately 50% of the space, open space required. With that site in particular and those of you who took that tour, even though it was kind of raining, by the time we got there, the units look sort of crunched together to an extent and when you come up the hill to access the site, it's just one small circular area and you go around where all the units are located right in that quadrant. The open areas are predominantly hillsides where they run down from the back of the units down toward Fairmont and out towards Cedar Road. So when you are sitting there right in the development, right in the center of the development, it does give you sort of a feeling that it's sort of a little tight in there.... Dr. Parker asked, Bernie, on something like this, I remember this one-what then would you consider the--I don't want to say the true density--but, you know, I mean there's the overall basic density of how much it is per the total site versus the true density-in other words, how much acreage are these buildings on, really? I mean, are we looking at like four units on really an acre here, or, I mean-do you know what I am saying? Mr. Samac said well; I'll try to get you a good answer to that; okay. And that's a good question because a little later on toward the end of the presentation we're going to get to that exact point. And one of our, one of the issues that came before Planning & Zoning Commission talked about density with regard to "buildable" areas and how you can interact the numbers with non-buildable or areas considered not buildable so that you don't end up with a big conglomerate of buildings on a short, small area of land and a lot of area that is open that is totally unbuildable and how do you make it look right aside from setback requirements. Mr. Riter said Bernie, I think from all the various sites that we saw, I think that appearance will soften as the properties age a little bit, the landscaping grows and fills in a little bit. I think with a little more green in there, it won't have that overpowering look. I mean I think some of the most attractive properties that we went and saw are the ones that had been there a while....simply because of that.... Mr. Samac replied, yes, that's true. And believe it or not, I had a difficult time even getting this shot because as I was in there probably six contractor trucks (and you can see one just on the left side there that were finishing up units throughout the area; I believe they are all sold out; I didn't see anymore signs as I entered; as a matter of fact I saw a "Keep Out" sign; "No Trespassing" property as I entered the site, but they are in high demand. And you're right-once you get some aged landscaping in there, it really does