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i - ? :.J y . - f the area where he believed that the drive should he. City Engineer Deichmann ha.d discussed this with the traffic engineer who was aware that a driver could see the signals on both mast arms, but he did not think that was reason enough not to have egress there. Mr. Gorris wondered if there should be signs indicating that a driver should pull out when a certain light is green and showing how the traffic should be stacked on the lot waiting for the traffic to change. Mr. Skoulis suggested moving the stop bars back on Whitethorn. Mr. Orlowski would like to look to the zoning codes as it relates to this and consider the stacking of the vehicles ori the property. r1r. Skoulis stated that if cars on Whitethorn are not moved back, they can pull up to the corner and will block the exit of the cars leaving the parking lot. He questioned if the signals could be regulated so that they do not change at the sar•ie tir,ie to regulate the traffic coming out of the property and the traffic coming out of.Whitethorn. Mr. Deichmann advised that there are signals on two mastheads because of the angle of the intersection, one governs traffic going right and one governs traffic turning left. Mr. Orlowski suggested that signage be used to stack cars on the property until the tidhitethorn intersection is cleared at which time cars can turn out onto the street. Mr. Deichmarm stated that there is a limit as to how far back a stop bar can be from a signal. Mr. Gorris wanted to make sure this is a clear intersection for traffic coming out of both jdhitethorn and this property and would like the traffic engineer to study this. Mr. Isabella suggested that traffic headed east onto Lorain not be allowed to turn right on red. The members agreed this would help. He would also like a stop bar far enough back so that one car taould fit between pedestrian crossing and the stop bar, and also to have the light on the north side of the street govern the traffic flosa. Mr. Orlowski was concerned that if a car pulls out of the ice cream store to head west, the driver might not be able to pull into the intersection without blocking the entrance to Whitethorn. He believed that the Engineering Department should study this now because this drawing is rnuch more accurate than cahat had been submitted before. He would like some kind of raised curbing (arched), painted yellow, on the eastern egr2ss from the driveway and sidewalk intersection around the curve of the one way drive to insure pedestrian safety in case a driver veered to the right toward the sidewalk.. Mr. Isabella thought a 6 i.nch.curb would help. Mr. Benik stated that he was also interested in the safety of the school children and would like Engineering to look into why some of the tree lawn was eliminated when the Whitetorn intersection was re-located, thus putting the children right in the street. The developers pointed this area out to the engineer and advised that the drawings in the city show the continuation of a tree lawn. 13r. Deichmarm will look into this. Prior to making the motion, Mr. Gorris stated that if anyone disagreed with the statements in his motion, he would like them to note them prior to the vote for discussion since only 4 members saere present and 4 positive votes are required. B. Gorris moved to forward the Ice Cream Parlor/Restaurant proposal at 27045 Lorain Road to the Architectural Review Board for their input, concurrently this is to be forwarded to the Safety Department for their input and to the Engineering Department for input, the Commission would like Engineering and Safety to specifically address the fact that the easternmost driveway of this parcel will basically intersect with Whitethoraz and Lorain, right at the light, and request their recommendation as to what can be done in terms of noving stop bars, additional signage, or anything else that woulci mitigate any danger to traffic entering or leaving this property or additional danger to traffic currently on Lorain Road or Whitethorn because of this property and also ask them to review the stacking of cars on this proper.ty which are atteripting to leave the parcel; and also request that the Engineering Department review the turning radii on the inoress into the one way drive. The Commission also requests that the developer take a sample of the signs to the Architectural Review Board and then 6