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t- , , <br />some of the information requested by the Commission. He advised that the floor elevation of the <br />building has been reduced from 767 to 763.5 which is the median elevation between Mill and <br />Lorain Roads, and that roughly half of the site will remain at grade which will reduce the scale of <br />the bu.ilding from the adjacent properties, and will make the screening and buffering more <br />effective. In order to do this they will have to go to a more expensive storm water pwnp system <br />to meet the city's existing system They will be installing signage, quoting the city ordinances, <br />which limits truck activity in the rear. Basically they have doubled the landscaping and now have <br />one tree for every 3 parking. spaces. He clarified that this did not include the 74 landbanked, so <br />Mr. Thomas concluded that the ratio was not increased as dramatically as it would appear. The <br />entrance drive has been widened to allow for the cars to merge more easily; the 32 foot parapets <br />have been lowered to 30 feet, and the tower was lowered from 37 down to 35 but since the <br />tower is the signatures of the home appliance store that did present a problem. They have <br />landbanked all the parldng shown on the west'side of the proposal and a predominate portion of <br />that was shown on the north side, adjacent to Mill Road. The mound was doubled in height from <br />4 feet to 8 feet, and is roughly 40 feet wide (somewhat larger to the south). The curb cut between <br />McDonald's and their property is shown more clearly on the plans and does not interfere with <br />McDonald's parldng at all. The new site plans show existing elevations, the existing adjacent curb <br />cuts, and existing buildings. With 74 parldng spaces landbanked, they now have 870 parldng <br />spaces are shown. He clarified that the spaces shown with the dotted lines are to be landbanked. <br />Mrs. O'Rou.rke questioned the need 'for 870 parldng spaces single use stores: Mr. Papandreas <br />explained that they were trying to establish a parking ratio of 5 spaces for 1,000, the code calls for <br />6.5 per 1,000. Their lessees have indicated that they prefer that ratio, but he does not believe that <br />is a reflection of the number of cars coming into the center, but is to insure that, under any <br />contingency situation, they would have sufficient parking and this would also preclude any out- <br />parcel development since there was a concern about visibility. Mr. Papandreas wondered why <br />there was concern over the number of parldng spaces. Mrs. O'Rourke stated that this seemed <br />excessive for a neighborhood shopping center and Mr. Thomas questioned the description of tlus <br />proposal as a`4ieighborhood" shopping center. Mr. Papandreas responded that his use of that <br />term at the last meeting was basically to distinguish between this type of a shopping center and a <br />large volu.me discou.nt retail superstore. Mr. Thomas stated that his perception of the differences <br />was based on 175,000 square feet of retail versus 145,000 square feet of retail, that the parking <br />spaces were just about the same, and that the proposed traffic generated would only be about a.6 <br />car per difference between the two. Mr. Papandreas disputed the last figure, and responded that <br />Mr. Thomas had apparently seen tlus as 175,000 of high volume retail and his response was to <br />define this as a category type center which, with this configuration, would not be conducive to a <br />high volume shopping center and is totally against any desigu parameters which would allow this <br />to become this type of center without reconfiguring the building. The members had also been <br />concerned that, by combining two stores, this could become a superstore, but an opinion has been <br />written that this could not be done. Mr. Thomas stated that there are always things that happen in <br />the future that the Commission cannot control,, and they have to think about the worst case. Mr. <br />Papandreas again explained that if this were to be changed from a category type shopping center <br />with this type configuration, they would have to come before the Commission to make the <br />changes, and if a smaller tenant were to come in, and at the very least, they would loose the <br />square footage at the back of the center. W. Thomas noted that in that instances they would <br />probably again bring in their attorneys to advise that they have a right to use their properiy. Mr. <br />3
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