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vertical integration of decision-making and control that go from the manufacture to Dillard's and all in between to insure the quality of the application of this product. The maintenance of it and dealing with it. When you ask the question why? I submit to you that that is a very significant reason why Dillard's is saying it uses this. Because it has a proven record of accomplishment and as the owner this is what it is looking to do when it builds this structure. It is making the investment and is looking to make sure the people that apply it. You can track with other trades you can do all those things. People can screw up no matter what you do. Mr. Tallon: How many Dillard's have you built in the last two to three years? Mr. Cassiere: We average around 8 to 10 a year and he did another study for the stores that are coming up in 2001. I asked how much square footage of E.F.I.S are we going to install, so we basically went through it and we have close to 471,000 square feet and we have used this product which goes back to. Mr. Tallon: Why didn't you use it out at SouthPark? Mr. Cassiere: I do not know the circumstances that were with Dillard's and the developer. I do not know those circumstances. Mr. Tallon: You do not have any problems with that store do you? I think it is a fine store! Mr. Cassiere: Comments I have gotten from Dillard's is the design is lacking. We were talking about achieving the same quality, E.F.I.S. has proven and we have a record of accomplishment with it and the manufacture of this product, we do not shop this product. There is only one manufacture that we use and we have a relationship with them. They are our national account. I was just talking with them, they also have Merriott as a national account, and so when there is a problem, they come and solve it for us. Right now we have no problems, we have done so much with this material and we have been very successful with it. It comes down to in our opinion we use it and we are familiar with it. Mr. Tallon: That is fine, there again we have a proven record of accoinplishment with masonry in the mall, you know it has held up fine. What we are suggesting is that on your entranceways and on your coping that you use the E.F.I.S. That is were your designs are but on your flat areas then use masonry that way it will tie into the existing buildings as far as materials. Your statement as far as the identity of the building off from any other buildings and yet we do obviously want the colors to complement the existing building of course. In that design right, there I do not see any difference at all and you would have an excellent product. I believe it would be a product that will make Dillard's stand out and at the same time be compatible with the existing structures. Everybody will be happy, I think that that would make a nice project. The site adjustment, what was that you were saying. Lining it up with the driveway was that what you were talking about. Mr. Yager: Yes. Mr. Tallon: You did not want to do that is that what you said? Mr. Rinker: .Are you talking about the realignment? Mr. Tallon: Yes, with the driveway. Mr. Barker: There was no way to reposition the building to accomplish that and maintain the floor plan within the mall. Mr. Barker: If I could add a couple of points. Mr. Tallon: Sure. Mr. Barker: In reference to your observations and Mr. Yager's, I do not think you are going to have an identical look between E.F.I.S. and a comparable color of masonry. There is going to be a difference, from a distance, they might look similar but there is a difference in the texture, the appearance and the grout lines and so forth of the two products. Therefore, in fact they are not identical in appearance, what that does for purposes of this discussion I do not know. However, I think it is important to note that they are not identical in appearance, I think any of us that are familiar with the product will agree with that. Secondarily we have not really address this one specifically; this is not a cost issue. The cost difference between making this building all masonry and what is being suggested is insignificant. If there is a difference at all. Until we bid the project, we do not really know the answer to that. At any given point and time depending on how busy a particular trade is and 11