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same projection you have there now. You would achieve the same product. There would be no <br />difference in your design, that is all I am saying. Mrs. O'Rourke: I know renderings are not exact <br />colors. Will the color in the renderings match the masonry color of the mall. Mr. lZinker: It <br />complements it. It will not be exactly the same color. If he understands what Mr. Cassiere was <br />saying with his color board and materials that it is complementary. It is like in this room there's <br />one specific color of wood and behind that is a different colored wall, the idea is that the colors <br />are kind of scale or schematic and textures. Mrs. O'Rourke: I just want to know if with those <br />colors are you trying to match the color at the mall. Mr. Cassiere: They will be complementary. <br />Mr. Rinker: It is not designed to match up it is designed to be complementary. Mrs. O'Rourke: If <br />you can go with a brick or masonry would you try to make it a complementary masonry not a <br />matching masonry. Mr. Rinker: Correct. Mrs. O'Rourke: What I am trying to say is that you want <br />it to be complementary not to match. Mr. Tallon: I understand that you want to set yourself aside <br />and you are going to have something that is complementary to the brick, that is why I didn't say I <br />wanted the same brick. I did not say that. I said take your idea and put it in masonry. Mr. <br />Cassiere: The final effect with brick is texture and with the E.F.I.S. material, you can get the same <br />texture. In addition, scored joints and cornice really make the look. We feel, this is the product <br />we want to use. It has been the most successful for us thus far. Mr. Tallon: Again and we can <br />debate this all night! All I am saying is in my opinion, you can accomplish the same identical thing <br />you want to accomplish there with masonry and I think you disagree with me on that. The other <br />question I have is the abruptness from the one building to the next. Mr. Rinker: There again that <br />is your characterization and we will agree on that. Mr. Tallon: How can you soften that. Mr. <br />Rinker: Why do you need it softened? Mr. Tallon: The transition of way low and then way high. <br />Mr. Rinker: What we are trying on the one hand is match as many as these, everyone is going to <br />agree that there are desires that a quality statement be made. It is kind of like the song, The High <br />Road and The Low Road, how do you get there. The concern that I have is that we have hit a <br />point, and I think you run into this in every community. Whether a sign looks good, whether you <br />should have lighting a certain way, there are aesthetic features, that is why a person wears <br />different clothes, that is why people live in different homes and different streets. You get to. a <br />point where if you are saying that you were going to legislate taste than that is where we are <br />asking for consideration. That our taste is different, but we do not think it is in anyway <br />detrimental to this coinmunity. On the contrary these are proven materials, that is why I added <br />the letter from Mr. Korinek from the city of Beachwood, the former administration almost <br />categorically said I do not like this product. By state code, by standards if it is applied correctly, <br />it has the durability, the look it lends itself too much more flexibility. I think Mr. Yager would <br />tell you that in his experience as an architect there are things you could do with this product that <br />you couldn't do with masonry. While you were talking about the wall that you characterized as a <br />blank wall, it does not look like a blank wall. I have seen this in number of areas and my personal <br />feeling is, I think it makes a very handsome looking structure. The person next to me can say <br />"yes", but I prefer the masonry and what we are asking is that we do not get into that kind of <br />debate were we go back and forth. What we are asking is, except that we really will use quality, <br />which is built into this. The features and modifications that are made and as some issues of <br />tweaking will arise, we have tried to demonstrate that we are more than happy to do that. There <br />is a point at which we are simply asking this community to recognize that this is a product that <br />we're bringing in, it is the investment that we're bringing into this community because we want to <br />make it work. It is not at all a lesser quality material or look. Mr. Spalding: What are you <br />6