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saying? I am confused, I thought we were talking about the building attached to this rather than the material in the front. I thought that is what Mr. Tallon asked you about. Mr. Rinker: Then maybe I misunderstood, I thought he was talking about the Dillard's building. Mr. Spalding: He was tallking about the 140-foot also, I think. Mr. Rinker: Yes that is masonry. Mr. Spalding: Another words how you can soften the combination of the two structures, and I think that is what he was inferring. Mr. Rinker: I thought there were two issues, and one was the use of the product on the wall itself. Mr. Spalding: I thought you previously talked about the product. Mr. Rinker: I did. Mr. Spalding: Then he mentioned about how you could soften the inter relationship between the existing structure and Dillard's or the extension of the existing structure. Mr. Rinker: It is the issue of the transition between the edition portion and the Dillard's the abruptness as you characterized it. Mr. Tallon: what I am asking, is there any way of stepping it down or somehow so it does not go on a 190 degree angle 140 foot from the roof of the new extension to the roof of Dillard's. It just seems that it is so dramatic. Mr. Rinker: You were talking about the frame of the building not the exterior, that is what I misunderstood and apologize. Mr. Barker: I think we would be open to suggestions. Mr. Tallon: Maybe some type of parapet type thing on the expansion. Mr. Rinker: I am going to push a button here and ask if Mr. Yager can speak to some of these questions. He is certainly better versed at these issues then I am. Mr. Tallon: I am saying just step it down. Mr. Yager: There are just a couple of things that I would like to go through. We met last Wednesday and we reviewed several of these issues. Actually, everything that has come up tonight came up last Wednesday. I am going to go through a list of the issues that were brought to our attention that we ask them to address. I will tell you a little bit about our process and about studies we did as a board. The issue that came up was generally the positioning of the building. If you look at the access point along Country Club, it is off centered from what is a very formally, very symmetrical building. We ask them to look at adjusting the building possibly so that you entered in on access. They did some sketches, and reviewed those sketches with our board. They are perfectly content that the situation of the position of the building is acceptable. While we are kind of on the fence with that, if they make the adjustment find and if they do not, it actually hurts their mall more so than us as a public. The next issue is already come up that is the material selection of E.F.I.S. verses masonry, verses the cost of masonry verses the cost of E.F.I.S. the look etc. In our review from last Wednesday through tonight and they have mentioned some other malls which I can appreciate the commission's concerns that the mall that we should be discussing tonight is Great Northern mall and not the others. At least iet me give you a little bit of background, I went to Beachwood mall and they have four department stores there. There is a Sacs, which was recently renovated and is E.F.I.S. from the ground to the roof. There is a Dillard's which has a masonry base, I think it is an existing brick base and then it goes up into an E.F.I.S. exterior and has some nice details. Its cornice line has a granite base at the columns at the entrance and is quite nice, and probably the nicest store outside of the next one that I will discuss. Nordstrom is the other for sure department store at Beachwood mall and that is an entirely masonry facility. It is beautifully done and beautifully detailed no E.F.I.S. on it at all. I went to SouthPark mall in Strongsville and they have a Dillard's, J C Penny's, Sears and a Kaufinanns. The Dillard's at Beachwood was done with a brick base and an E.F.I.S. facing and cap. The Dillard's at SouthPark was done out of all masonry and is lacking a considerable amount of detail at the area that we as a public would consider the most appropriate location to put detail. When you are walking from a human scale near -the entrances, in either situation there is plenty of detail, granite bases E.F.I. S., water table, water components that really look nice as a level of 7