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detail. It is the actual roof where the detail on masonry facility is lacking it is just a metal cap, at the Dillard's at SouthPark. It is really a genuinely exquisitely cap, on the particular facility that they have designed in front of us. Penny's, Sears and Kaufmanns all have entirely masonry facilities, but they have E.F.I.S. at their entrances. The point at which they want to make their strongest statement at SouthPark mall their granting them an E.F.I.S. front saying this is the look we want. Some of it is because of this sandy texture on the E.F.I.S. material gives it a genuinely elegant look. Now whether or not that elegant look will remains 5, 10, 15 years from now, that is what I think is really up for debate. I don't think that the day this facility opens anyone will have any questions with tlie look of it regardless of the material. It is the concern that the E.F.I.S. material and the installation quality that has been following its self for the last 20 years. I went to Richmond Town Center which this developer here is recently undergoing some renovations and they used E.F.I.S. and masonry they used a combination not unlike what you're seeing in Dillard's and it is genuinely quite nice. Their lighting program looks affective, the mall has very strong details so on and so forth. Therefore, in that regard I think we can be comfortable that the program that they're projecting here is effective. Great Northern, which is obviously the facility that we are really speaking of here, Kaufmanns is masonry, J C Penny's is masonry but I do believe that Sears has a masonry base and a metal capping. This particular store whether it is in masonry or E.F.I.S. will be the strongest point of the mall undoubtedly. I hope that it will be the beginning of something that allows J C Penny's, Sears and Kaufinanns to come back and improve their look. I think they have a significantly outdated image on the existing facility and whether that be done in masonry and E.F.I.S., I can't say. I just hope that this as a beginning becomes something that will be a more effective program for the mall. So let's just not look at the mall and say my goodness it's all masonry and I just can't wait to have the rest of them look like it. The mall needs to be improved as a look. We also asked them to look at landscaping programs. Brian Zergott recently had surgery he is our chairman, I took him the landscaping program and he said the Dillard's landscaping is exquisite, Bryan rarely puts that kind of term on a plan. The mall landscaping on the other hand, which is a drawing that I received today, is a little bit weak. When you speak in terms of transition from a 65-feet height down to a 23-foot, mall addition it is a challenging transition no question about it. There are two ways to look upon it, one is hunnan scale and one is real scale. Human scale is walking or driving through the mall. If you have any landscaping at all it tends to blend or hide, there is no way you are going to blend a 65 foot high building to a 23 foot high building. Step it do this do that, I would rather just make that an abrupt edge. Have an excellent landscaping program and support it at the human scale because you will not be able to resolve it unless you go 100 ft. in and then do the stepping. When you look around the other malls and even our mall this transition point is always something that is hard to resolve. It looks more obvious on the drawing than what it does in reality particularly when the buildings are moving in and out like they are. We also ask them to look at the lighting program and to coordinate it with the mall lighting. To coordinate at the shopping center entrance that is existing and the add-on and the Dillard's lighting to coordinate it with the character and look of the mall. They have done that in their lighting program that has been submitted and signed off by the architectural review board. We also ask them to look at lighting the landscaping that they have so exquisitely have designed so that it helps to solve and resolve the look of the building. We asked them to look at the mall expansion, which for the first time today we had a quick view of them but understand what we are looking at. It is obviously a solid color and obviously intended to be a background element where the focus is at the mall and entrance. It isn't uncommon to any 8