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shopping mall where you are doing pieces between entrances it should fall to the background. <br />The idea of stepping down, do you leave it blank so on and so forth. We asked them to improve <br />the landscaping and I believe in their next submission they will. That is the only thing that our <br />board did not sign off on is the mall expansion-landscaping program as it is rather sparse. So, <br />look into that and help improve that than we would feel comfortable. We also asked them to <br />confirm that there would be no visible rooftop units on the mall expansion. It is very clear how <br />they are addressirig Dillard's, but a little un-clear on the mall expansion. So we ask them to take <br />care of that and make sure that we're not going to see the wooden frames or metal frames or <br />anything else up there, we do not want to see the rooftop units. The last issue was looking at the <br />service area, loading docks and inner workings of the mall. So we as the public coming to those <br />entrances see as little of that as possible. So we feel comfortable and good about the facility that <br />we have in front of us. They have addressed that in their recent submittal and we are comfortable <br />as a board. We have visited other sites, we have reviewed the landscaping program with our <br />chairman, and have viewed additional sets of drawings. We met on Wednesday and reviewed sets <br />over the weekend and again today and can say very comfortably that we liked the direction of this <br />proposal. The debate over E.F.I. S. verses masonry will go on forever. Until somebody puts it <br />into our codes that, we need to either require masonry in this community or be sure that we have <br />a program identified to keep it up. I like the look of the E.F.I.S., I like it when there is a masonry <br />base and something strong that the material does not take on the absorptive qualities that it has. <br />Would I like to see this in all masonry? very possibly, what impact does that have esthetically? I <br />will tell you, if you look at Dillard's of Beachwood and see the level of detail that the E.F.I.S. <br />materiaI has in its coping, then go to SouthPark mall and look at the level of detail in its coping. <br />You will prefer to see the Dillard's at Beachwood here in North Olmsted it is a stronger program <br />and more affective design. Therefore, that debate is up to you as we are a board of <br />recommendation. Our recommendation is that this design program will be the nicest component <br />at the mall and the shopping center that is recently being renovated. I think that is excellent for the <br />city that we are stepping forward instead of backwards. Whether we are comfortable or not using <br />E.F.I.S. is a debate that the Corrunission, Council and Board of Zoning and Development and <br />everybody brings to us. What we are asked to look at as an architectural review board is does <br />this presentation improve the Cities look, absolutely it will. Mr. Tallon: Mr. Yager I have a <br />question I would like to ask you. I do not think anybody has a doubt that it is going.to improve <br />the look of the City. What I was saying and what I still do not understand is what cannot be <br />accomplished with masonry that can be accomplished with E.F.I.S. Mr. Yager: One ofthe things <br />we asked them to look into was the cost differential. When you deal in detail, it is much easier to <br />work in an E.F.I.S. inaterial. than a masonry material. For short term and long term, masonry <br />when you start to corbel it and start to do a significant number of water stops in places where <br />snow and freeze/thaw can pond you start to get some efflorescence into the material. You also <br />start to get some issues that are maintenance in nature. When you look at SouthPark were it has <br />a masonry facade sometimes masonry cost more than E.F.I.S_ When you look at the detail at the <br />coping, you have a nice detail in this particular program you do not get that at the Dillard's at <br />SouthPark you get a metal coping. Mr. Tallon: When you say coping, what do you mean by that? <br />Mr. Yager: The very top, if you take a look at the level you would almost see it has a nice <br />banding detail which you actually could see in a couple of pictures of work that they have done. <br />They have a couple of pictures that they showed us last week that they had done. That is <br />something that you can not get in masonry, I just do not know if you will get it in masonry in this <br />9