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i the existing KIA-Domino's building would remain. They are going to convert that to a KIA dealership. What they have tonight is the landscaping, buffering, lighting, and proposed building elevations. The old A&K Tire building (43) will be used as a detailing shop where KIA will clean cars. The other building (#2) is for lease. Mr. Tallon questioned if they weren't doing anything but painting the back buildings. Mr. Kula replied that the A&K Tire building (#3) would just be painted, while the building on Porter (#2) will have a new canopy and will be painted. Mr. Tallon indicated that he wanted to start off with the lighting scheme. The poles should not be more than 15 ft. tall from the ground up. The two 12 ft. poles are fine, but the big 17 ft. pole should be chan;ed to be 15 ft. tall. He then suggested making them all 12 ft. poles at 250 watts. All this is going to be is car storage and you don't need that much light. Mr. Kula indicated that it was car display on Lorain Rd. and the storage is in the rear. Mr. Tallon replied that it doesn't matter. What do you need all the lights for, you'll be able to see fine. Two hundred fifty watts is more than enough for anybody. Mr. Parsons questioned what he was basing these recommendations on. Mr. Tallon replied that he was basing it on the fact that it's in the middle of a residential area. Mr. Parsons commented that they seldom use incandescent lighting today in any commercial application let alone any car dealership today. It is the most inefficient lamp source you can use in the market today. In 99.9% of all applications of car lot facilities their using HID (High Intensity Discharge) lighting, metal halide for respectable color rendition and merchandising of the cars. The fixtures they are proposing to use are state of the art, total cutoff IES sockets. It will not spill over into the adjacent residential areas. At the same tiine, with the pole heights they've located them at, they're not presenting a glare factor to any of the residences along Dewey Rd. They tried to accommodate that by using state of the art technology, full cutoff sockets, and yet maintain energy efficiency, good color lighting output and not create any glare bombs for anybody to be angry about. Mr. Tallon indicated that they are going to create glare bombs. They have highly polished cars sitting there with this light beamed down off of them in a residential area. Have you ever seen what the stadium looks like when it lights up, yes, because you get light spillage. That is exactly what you are going to have here. Mr. Parsons replied that black does not reflect the light as much as white does. Mr. Tallon reminded that it would be all over the highly polished cars, it is aoing to reflect everywhere. What you want here is the softest light possible. This is right in the middle of a residential area. We are not here to market cars or to sell lights; we are here to make this project workable. That means for everybody, the citizens of North Olmsted, as well as Halleen. The only way we're going to do this is to make it comfortable for the people sit on their front porch and not be able to read the newspaper with all the lights off in their home because the dealership lights it up. Mr. Parson questioned what comfortable was to him. Mr. Tallon replied anything that isn't harmful to your normal way of life, period. What he means by that is bring the lights down. Down in intensity and mounting, both. Sell the right lights for this residential neighborhood. This is a residential lot you're putting these lights on that has a use variance. Mr. Kula questioned what the front lot is zoned. Mr. Tallon replied commercial, but the two back lots are residential. W. Kula thanked him. He questioned if there was a pole height requirement for the City of North Olinsted. Mr. Tallon replied no, the pole height is what this board recommends here. Mr. Kula questioned if that was quantitative from one project to the next. Mr. Tallon replied it is subjective, every project is looked at individually on its merits. He questioned what type of painting they were using on the back buildings. Mr. Suhayda replied that there is a stucco finish that is on now, and they would like to go with a beige brown stucco. Mr. Tallon questioned what type of paint they were using that would adhere and not flake off the building. Mr. Suhayda replied that he wasn't sure at this time. Mr. Tallon questioned the mounding on Dewey. Mr. Suhayda commented that the mounding on Dewey is a 6 ft. earth mound and they are doing a minimum of 6 ft. pines on top of that. Mr. Tallon questioned the width of the bottom of the 5