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pointed out they made some revisions based on the Planning Commission's recommendations. Mr. Zergott asked if the revisions include a landscape plan. Mr. Corsi replied they do. Mr. Yager asked if there are still 31 units. Mr. Corsi said that is correct. He said they widened the road to 25 ft. at the request of the Planning Commission. Mrs. Nader and Mr. Yager pointed out it shows 20 ft. on the plan. Mr. Yager indicated he likes the sinaller street since they are trying to create a sense of community. Mr. Corsi said the plan was supposed to show 25 ft. Mr. Yager said they received conflicting information. The city engineer said they must have 25 ft., yet the traffic report indicated they need a minimum of 20, but 22 ft. is preferred. Mr. Yager said the biggest question that came out of the report is the location of the visitor parking. Mr. Corsi said they changed that parking. Mr. Yager said. he sees they added them right to the entry points of the front yards. He said it is disappointing now because a visitor would have to walk between cars. He asked if they could slide the spots down. Mr. Corsi said they really can't do that. They looked at the development saying they can put the spaces in and rather than having all the spaces up against the sides of the homes, they could put them where the sidewalks are, because if you are a visitor you will use that route to get to the home. A visitor would get out of the car and go to the sidewalk to the front door. When they got to the last row they could not do that. He referred to the plans. He added that they put a pull-off for the inail pick-up and mail drop-off because they didn't want guest parking up there. Mr. Yager asked where a person would park if someone was having a party. He said, for example, if the people in unit 15 are having a party with 12 people, there is no room for parking. He referred to the area between the garage and the alley. He said the Planning Commission indicated 4 cars could fit in the drive but he said that is not accurate. He referred to the plans and asked if they could park in the hammerhead area. He said the developers have indicated that 19 cars total can park, beyond the people that live in the units. Mr. Zergott said that is a good question because the road is so slim too. He would suggest a wider road so people can park. The alley idea will not work. Mr. Yager indicated the fire department may not let them have the smaller street since it is a city street. Mr. Corsi indicated it is a private street. Mr. Zergott said they will be shooting themselves in the foot with this issue. He pointed out he does a lot of snow plowing and there will be no place to put the snow. They are creating a problem that will come back at them. Mr. Yager said the dry detention is listed in the notes as an above ground detention basin. W. Corsi said that is a misinterpretation. It is not above ground. The top of the basin is at ground level. Mr. Yager asked if there is a lot of run off. He said the question is, is there enough run off that it has to remain a detention area. He asked if they could put underground piping in and make that an area for additional parking. He is particularly disappointed that they would want to have cars right up against homes. It goes against the renderings the board was shown of this front porch community. He said they now have four cars and a person has to walk between them like they are walking into a store. They would be walking in a five foot area with a car on both sides. If it is snowing and two people are walking side by side, one person will rub against one of the cars. He would at least slide those back 10 feet so there is some breathing room. He appreciates that that there is some green space on those corners, but he really feels people will park there because there is no other area to park. Tim Blair, of Greystone, indicated he lives in a condo similar to this development with 49 units and they have 4 guest parking spots and he never sees those spots used. Mr. Zergott pointed out he has lived in a condominium complex and the spots were always taken because everyone has two cars now. He now has a 2 1/2 car garage and can fit one car in it. He said with the size of the proposed units there will not be a lot of storage so people will use their garages for storage. Mr. Corsi said the requirements within the condominium documents require the residents to garage their cars every night. The residents are not allowed to be in a guest space or on the street over night. He added that the amount of guest parking that they have is 3 1/2 times greater than required by code. He said that only 6 spaces are required for the whole development. Mr. Yager said if they meet the city's code, they shouldn't debate it. He is stunned but he does not think the plan is realistic. Mr. Corsi pointed out they exceed what the code requires: NIr. Yager suggested they rearrange the units in the corner to get more spaces leading up to the front porches. Mr. Zergott asked to move on to landscaping. Mr. Corsi said they increased the plantings abutting the back yard of the resident fronting off of Columbia. He referred to the plans. He indicated they increased the evergreens along I-480 and 3