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the NADA recommends. 'I'hat was the reason for using those types of poles and fixtures. He said that sounds like a lot of light but in relationship to other competitive spots it is more brightly lit and that is the goal. Mr. Spalding said it is a tremendous amount of light to which Mr. Parsons replied they are trying to draw in people, merchandise and market in a fair fashion, their "jewelry counter" on that front line. Mr. Spalding asked if he is familiar with Great Northern Dodge and what they have in terms of foot candle levels. Mr. Parsons said he is not familiar with it. Mr. Spalding said he is interested in what some of the other dealerships .have for foot candles on their displays on Lorain Road. Mr. Farrell said he checked .the dealerships along Lorain Road and he indicated that Great Northern Dodge has 270' of show space along Lorain and they average a light every 13'. The lights they are proposing at Halleen KIA are 26' per light. Mr. Spalding inquired as to the foot candle level at Great Northern Dodge. Mr. Farrell had not measured those levels but he spoke with the dealerships to find out the wattage on the poles and they are using 1000 watt lights along Lorain Road. The other dealership he contacted was the Motorcars dealership just west of his client. Mr. Hreha asked how many fixtures are on each pole. Mr. Farrell said Great Northern Dodge has 21 lights, which would be the bulbs, in a 270' span. Mr. Hreha asked how many Halleen KIA would have and Mr. Farrell replied 15. Mr. Spalding said 15 plus the two at the corner. Mr. Par.sons said those two are significantly greater distance away from the merchandised front line. W. Asseff asked why they would be needed then. Mr. Parsons indicated they are two-headed fixtures. Mr. Koeth asked him to confirm they are 1000 watts, and it was confirmed. - Mr. Spalding then asked why they would be needed at the corner since they are not used for displaying. Mr. Farrell said:they have show cars along Lorain and they come up Dewey in front of the mound. Mr. Lasko brought up the area at the corner of Dewey and Lorain and asked if it is a landscape area rather than a show area to which Mr. Farrell responded yes. Mr. Lasko said it is right at the area where the two-headed fixture is and there is landscape. Mr. Farrell said there is landscape in that corner but referred to the blueprint and said there is parking space there. Mr. Parsons said that space is to merchandise the cars on either side. NIr. Spalding said you won't be attracting customers on Dewey, you will be getting customers from what you see on Lorain. He asked how they could see the cars on Dewey. Mr. Parsons'said to bear in mind there is a uniformity issue too: They have dropped it from 3 down to 2 lessening the foot candle values in that space, but it is still a priine merchandising space where people are coming in and walking around and viewing the cars. Mr. Spalding pointed out there is no entrance drive there at all. Mr. Koeth mentioned that right across the street is a house. Mr. Parsons' ag'reed but said the foot candle values are .Ol, .02, .03, so we're talking' about one hundredths, two hundredths of a foot candle. From a practical standpoint you cannot measure that with a meter. A half a foot candle is generally recommended for security` lighting, for safe walkway lighting, so they are far under the half a foot candle. Mr. Koeth said what the board typically calls for is zero at the lot Iine, and there is spillage. Mr. Farrell indicated that across the street from the D light poles is commercial property and the first house is further north down Dewey Road well inside where the mound is. Mr. Koeth inforined Mr. Farrell that in looking at the lighting plan, actually in their front yard there is .02 on Dewey, on Dewey street is .05, in the middle of Dewey Road it is .14, and getting closer to where the D lighting is, it is 4.32, 4.62. Mr. Koeth added this is one of the areas where the board has always tried to appease the neighbors, that there is not spillage on the lot line and onto their property, from Halleen KIA property. Mr. Farrell said Mr. Parsons was trying to indicate to the commission that those amounts that are on the photometric chart are negligible, barely measurable. 1VIr. Asseff said that might be the case across the street but when you are on the street it is very measurable. Mr. Koeth said at the tip of the mound it is 4.62, at the foot of the mound on Dewey Road. Mr. Spalding said there is much too much lighting at that end. Mr. Farrell said because of the streetlights on Dewey, the light spilling over onto the road does not overcompensate for the light they already have there. Mr. Parsons pointed out that the values shown are computer generated and take nothing into account froin existing lighting fixtures already there, the roadway lighting. Existing roadway lighting would blow away .02 foot candles. He said 4