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;t, N real quick if you don't mind, No this removal that you are reading is for their removal from employment. Mrs. Popa stated I can't understand how this could have happened, is there anything in your rules that shows how someone would be taken off the Civil Service list without being notified, I'm not clear on this that is why I'm here to get some clarity. Mr. Cummings stated my understanding of this is that there is no way they can be taken off the list, we cover so many people, this is what we cover. Mr. Thomay read allowed section 3 page 32 of the Rules and regulations manual. Mr. Cummings stated everyone that is not under the Unclassified list should be on the list. Ms. Cornish stated if you are going to make that change, and I agree with you about putting her on the list, but if you are going to put her name back on the list shouldn't everyone's name be put back on, that was Classified. Mr. Cummings stated everyone that is Classified is covered by us but in different degrees if you can follow me, if the person comes in that is not involved in labor or union that means that they are not covered under union contract then they are covered strictly by Civil Service rules and regulations, if they are covered under a union contract were it is a police, secretaries, and different labors if they are covered under a contract the only part we come in on is if it comes in under initial testing, and testing in general once we have the initial testing the grievance procedure for removal or if something is going wrong is through the union grievance procedure, that is something they have set in place, but I feel they should still be listed as part of Civil Service, and you must know that we can't do anything but the testing, you never know somewhere down the line and I don't think this would ever happen but they could vote to not be part of a union not just one person but the whole outfit, then they would be under Civil Service you follow me, that is why I say that is the only part we have with them that is part of the union organization is initial hire if there is a testing process, if they are not in a union then naturally then they have Civil Service protection, but they all should be listed somewhere. Mr. Thomay asked how people were taken off the Civil Service list in the past who made that decision. Ms. Cornish stated that she didn't know as it happened before she worked as clerk of commissions and before the present board members were members, I know they were being removed because they were union and I got told a couple of times about Judy Ptacek who is on the Classified list under secretary she is union and I was told by Mary -Kay in the finance department that I have to remove her from the list because she is union, I asked the law department can I remove this person and they said no she is classified and told Mary Kay no I have to leave her on the list. Mrs. Popa stated then the next question is if someone is on Civil Service as a secretary there is a different situation at the police station and fire which I don't quite understand the way they work but, if they are in the building department and they are Civil Service is there a reason why they would want to be in the union also. Mr. Cummings stated my goodness yes because we do not have anything to do with wages or working condition or hours of the working conditions, there protection is a lot better because they have procedures to go through for arbitration they can get outside attorneys that are there for them, all we can do for them is do the initial hire for them. Mrs. Popa stated if I become a Civil Service member I pass the test and they say I'm now covered under Civil Service how could I ever be removed from this list. Mr. Cummings stated the only way they can be removed from the list if they were appointed to one of the jobs that are exempted positions. Ms. Cornish stated then an evaluation should be done to see who should and shouldn't be on the list. Mr. Cummings stated the commission would like to get to together with the Mrs. Popa and have a complete list of all employees and then look to see who is suppose to be on the list. Mrs. Popa asked if there was something in the union contract that states that they can't be both. Mr. Cummings stated yes ma'am there is, the state dictates that they are a part of Civil Service but we can't represent them, the state has jurist diction over them, the list should really be called an inactive list, because the only thing we have to do with the people on the list is the hire test or promotional. tests. Mrs. Popa asked then even though some individuals don't appear on this list they are still considered Civil Service, rest assured I can tell her that she has not been removed from Civil Service and we need to re -look to see who all should be on the Civil Service list. Ms. Cornish apologized for interrupting, and asked Mr. Cummings should I put Lisa on the list now or do you want to make a decision tonight that it should be looked into so everyone's names that should be on gets put on. Mr. Cummings stated if Mrs. Popa wouldn't mind coming back to another meeting and bring a list of all employees secretaries, and what not then we can decide which one belongs and which one doesn't, then we would have an accurate list, we could all work together on this if you don't mind. Ms. Cornish stated that the commissions office would help Mrs. Popa to come up with the list, I also think that when someone is hired off the Civil Service list their complete application packet should be forwarded to personal, that way they would have all the individuals original