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Mr. Thomay agreed with the testing company as the question specifically asks for the minimum. R. Giesser motion to affirm the answer key as to question #75. J. Thomay seconded the motion, which was unanimously approved. Protest Denied. Mr. Thomay commented that the four protests have been addressed and the results will not change regarding the Assistant Fire Chief exam ranking. J. Thomay motion to certify the Assistant Fire Chief ranking list to the appointing authority to make his appointment, naming Lieutenant Robertson the Assistant Fire Chief. R. Giesser seconded the motion, which was unanimously approved. Continued discussion for the preparation for the Fire Lieutenants examination: Mr. Thomay questioned if the secretaries did a comparison of prices received for administering a Fire Lieutenants exam. Mrs. Rote apologized that a comparison had not been drawn up for the commissioners as she just returned from vacation and viewed the documents herself. Mrs. Giesser indicated that she did a comparison and reviewed those that have been received. Barret's price is twenty three thousand dollars, Clancy is eight hundred for six written plus fifteen dollars per person after six and .36 cents per mile. The oral is five thousand three hundred and ten dollars for seven candidates. Ramsey & Associates for written two hundred twenty five per reference source and oral assessments are seven hundred per candidate. The Ohio Fire Chief associate is one thousand for written plus ten dollars per person. The Oral is one thousand dollars up to six candidates and two hundred fifty six for each candidate there after. Mr. Thomay questioned how many candidates the commission estimated they would have for the oral test. Mrs. Rote suggested that at the commissions last meeting the commissioners voiced that they would not limit the number of candidates to participate in the Oral assessment. The oral assessment would be open to all candidates who pass the written. The commissioners suggested setting the passing score at 70% or 75% to move forward to the oral portion of the test. With the same passing scores compared to the last, Lieutenant exam conducted five test candidates would have scored high enough to take the oral instead of only three. Mr. Thomay suggested that he had reservations regarding the use of Ramsey due to the mistake made on the Assistants exam. Fire Chief Klecan voiced that he preferred Ramsey & Associates as they have a better Oral Assessment than the Fire Chiefs Associates test. The only thing he would request that Ramsey have 200 questions on the written tests instead of 110. Mr. Thomay questioned what dates Ramsey & Associate had provided regarding testing dates. Mrs. Rote reviewed that Ramsey provided dates that they are not available. Ramsey is not available October 01, 01, l lt", 15tH 21St' and the 23`d through 31 October 2003. She reviewed that Ramsey has more dates available in September then October but they do not fit within the commissions time lines to administer an exam. The Fire Chief has provided a list of study books he would like used for the Lieutenants exam. Discussion took place as to how much time would be required between the Written test and Oral test. Mrs. Rote reminded the commission letter of intents had not been sent out. Ms. Giesser voiced that the charter does not require the commission release letter of intents. Mr. O'Malley suggested that the reason the clerk suggests the letter of intent is to have an idea of costs. Ms. Giesser questioned if the clerk was requesting the commission wait to set the dates until the letter of intents are completed. Then the commission meet again and set the time and dates. Mrs. Rote answered yes, find out how many take the test, have a place to administer the test, then confirm the dates Ramsey provided. Discussion as to were and when the tests should be conducted took place. Fire Chief Klecan voiced that time for protests should be taken into consideration when setting the dates. Further discussion regarding testing dates took place. Mrs. Rote suggested that City Hall could be used for the assessment again but if more then six candidates take the assessment more than one day is needed to conduct the 5